Jrs playing Sr then coming back to JR and OFSAA rules

Am going to ask this question in both sections.

Was of the understanding that once a player played 2 games at either JR or SR level, tournaments included, they had to decide which level to play at and stay there. Even more specifically, if a guy plays 2 games at JR level, they can't show up for SR OFSAAs later in the year. And also if they play more than 1 game at SR of any kind league tournament or exhibition, they can't go play JR again. Is this so? What's the rule?

This is not to pick on any JRs or programs being discussed in other threads, that's why it's not posted there. Just want to know the rule, because if they can actually play both levels all year then the top 16 is gonna look much different than we think.

Would like to hear some proper facts please.

a Junior is junior, until he plays one senior game (League). If he plays one senior game, he has declared himself senior. (I'm not saying it hasn't happened where players play both undetected), but then you question the coaching philosophy/ethics of the program. But the rule is as such.

You can play Junior league and tournaments and still participate in senior tournaments. But the league is where the declaration occurs.

The senior team can take a player to ofsaa from the junior group at the end of the year. Part of the development of the program, and be eligible to play.

Just going to edit to say ok I get that part.

So if a player decides to play 1 SR game, the only thing they can't do in JR again is actual league and league playoffs? They could still do all these JR tournaments throughout the year so long as they weren't part of league?

Technically, by the rule.... No you can not participate again in Junior after playing ONE league game in senior.

Please keep in mind that the relevant rules might vary from region to region.

regardless of regional rules. The teams considered on the top 16 are supposed to be playing with the same rules. That said;

If I played up with the seniors this year, why would I want to come back to play junior. Thats like playing with adults, then coming to win a championship over kids.

seems to kill the tournaments IMO

Why is it only a problem when Carr plays a jr at both levels?

Lets see how many of you make a stink when Tristan Newman goes back to play for Vaughans jr team? They are obviously trying to beat Carr and win a championship. Will that be ok with all of you know it alls who dont know the rules?

First off, most teams would sacrifice a junior championship for senior championship. Therefore, moving their player up permenantly to improve. Not to steal a junior championship while playing senior too.

The reason it is pointed out with Carr is simple, lets paint a picture;

two students go into a final exam with 30%
Student A) Cheats on his chemistry exam and gets a final mark of 46%
Student B) Cheats on his chemistry exam and gets a final mark of 59%

yes cheaters are cheaters... but one still isn't good enough, that gets swept under the rug, he has to repeat anyway. Student B (Carr) is successful, but along the way cheated to get it. Should he really be rewarded with the credit?

Argument solved! Sports should be followed with some ethics, since it is the simpliest form of the reflection of society. What are coaches teaching kids if they say, "ya, we can bend the rules, after all its for winning" AT THE JUNIOR LEVEL. Screw rules.

for those who couldn't follow: Student B was the programs who cheat to win and win. Student A was for team that cheat and do not win anyway. People care about cheating and winning... its a fact of life, get used to it.

I disagree. Neither Carr or Vaughan are cheating. They are within the rules having jrs move up. Your argument is flawed with the cheating context. Your argument is correct when you say winners are scrutinized.

League is what matters. Rankings mean squat at the end of the day. Aslong as teams follow the regional rules regarding their league then there should be no real issue.

I agree rankings mean little, if anything other than optics on The Internet. But those rankings seem to be driven by tournament results that are skewed if one region has a rule that says a guy can't play ANY Jr games league or tourney once declared Sr, and another region has a rule that says sure have the player play both so long as the "one league game" rule is followed.

IMO it's dumb for a player who can start and excel at the SR level to play JR of any kind. I guess for some of these guys they didn't really stand out on the JR teams last year so now they want "their year". Other guys already dominated their JR teams when they were in Gr 9 so now it's time for them to challenge themselves in consistently higher competition. Pretty sure you won't see those guys at any JR level anything, they've moved on.

Yeah,it's too bad that kids make the senior team and would be there for3 yrs,but suddenly realize that they won't be the MAN on the team so go back to junior .Now they are the MAN!