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    The Politics in Hamilton

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    Post by petro Wed Sep 30, 2009 4:42 pm

    Have you guys been in touch with what's going on in Hamilton.

    Three girls that were part of the now defunct NEDA decided to stay in Hamilton and continue their education at St. Mary's HS. While training with NEDA... these girls trained at Mac and attended St. Mary's HS.

    The three girls are from Guelph, and nearby Ancaster and Burlington.

    Wonder where you guys stand on this:

    Here's the story:

    FROM HAMILTON SPECTATOR (TODAY)
    BY TONY FITZGERALD
    SPECIAL TO THE HAMILTON SPECTATOR
    (Sep 30, 2009)
    The collapse of a Basketball Canada program has created a messy situation for a local girls' league.
    Canada Basketball's National Elite Development Academy (NEDA) for girls was chopped due to funding issues.
    The national development training program was hosted by Hamilton. The girls attended St. Mary's High School and trained at McMaster University.
    When the program collapsed, three of the girls decided to stay at St. Mary's. Others returned home.
    The decision by the three -- Natalie Achonwa (Guelph), Karly Roser (Ancaster) and Alexandra Yantzi (Burlington) -- created a furor in the Hamilton Wentworth Catholic Athletic Association girls' basketball league.
    At first, teams threatened to boycott games with St. Mary's Crusaders' senior girls' team.
    Now the games are being played, but under protest.
    "I'm happy we're playing basketball games," said St. Mary's head coach Rich Wesolowski. "That's what I'm happy about."
    However, Doug Gellatly, executive director of the Ontario Federation of School Athletic Associations, the provincial governing body, says there are no rules to have the girls declared ineligible.
    "It was not like they were transfer students. They had attended that school for at least a year," he said. "We do not have a rule in place covering the NEDA program."
    If OFSAA says the girls are eligible, it should be the end of the protest.
    It's not.
    Websites such as TheHoop-la.com are filled with angry postings.
    A petition is being circulated by angry St. Mary's parents regarding the unfair treatment of former players who were cut from the team.
    Others complain the players give St. Mary's an unfair advantage.
    "It is a unique situation," said HWCAA superintendent Mary Cippolla, who is in charge of athletics. "NEDA folded and the girls have been at St. Mary's for as many as three years. They are not transfer students under our constitution, GHAC and OFSAA."
    Wesolowski says if they are eligible, they are eligible, period.
    "It is what it is," he said. "It's been stressful. I'm here trying to coach and all this stuff is happening."
    Despite playing under protest, HWCAA girls' basketball coaches have been placed under a gag order.
    "People are upset. They don't see this as being fair," said one parent, who wished to remain anonymous. "St. Mary's would have been good without these players. It would have been a battle between BT (Bishop Tonnos), STM (St. Thomas More), Brebeuf (St. Jean de Brebeuf), and St. Mary's. Now, there are three teams left to fight for second."
    Another issue is the OFSAA quad-A girls' basketball tournament being hosted by Hamilton.
    Chances of a second team from the HWCAA league making it to the tournament are slim. They would have to beat a very powerful Burlington Notre Dame team.
    Canada Basketball started the NEDA program as a "Pathway to Excellence" in 2005.
    It brought the top 12 male and female development athletes from across Canada, aged 15-18, to train at McMaster University and attend school at St. Mary's.
    They were to have access to world-class training, sport science and medical support services at McMaster.
    Games would be played against Canadian university and college teams, as well as a number of prep schools and club teams in the United States.
    "I found out at the end of August the NEDA program had run out of funding," Wesolowski said. "I don't exactly know what happened."
    But, he adds, the girls had a choice what they wanted to do. Some went home. Three stayed.
    "I had nothing to do with bringing these kids here," Wesolowski noted. "They were already here going to school at St. Mary's. They made friends here and decided to stay."
    One of the three, Achonwa, is not eligible to play for the Crusaders since she is playing on Canada's National team.
    She's still taking classes at St. Mary's.
    Roser, a 5-foot-9 guard, and Yantzi, a 6-foot-4 forward, are playing for the Crusaders.
    "From Day 1 our principal (Emidio Piccioni) was open to everybody what may happen. He contacted GHAC, our board and OFSAA. They all knew," Wesolowski said. "We weren't hiding anything."
    He suspects some people are upset with the rule and the decision to play under protest was made behind closed doors.
    "What have I done?" asked the head coach. "I'm trying to coach a team from the best players available. If someone has a problem with that, they can say it to my face. I'm a coach. I'm not in charge of the rules.
    "The meeting that was held about this had nothing to do with coaching, nothing to do with basketball. It was all politics."
    He says the bottom line is "we all have to live with the decisions that have been made."
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    Post by Eclipse Hoops Wed Sep 30, 2009 4:54 pm

    Petro, the whole situation is weird to me....I cannot understand the parent who would have their daughter continue in Hamilton if they live in Guelph, Burlington etc. (hardly a great distance away, why not back home?)...frankly not sure why HS basketball is a key isue for these players given their status, either....."made friends at school", ha, ha, sure.....That being said - nice exit strategy from Basketball Canada....they initiated the programme, they encouraged people to participate (in good faith, I do not question), but they must have known the funding situation long before the NEDA programme went belly up, and they are in part the architects of this particular misfortune.
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    Post by petro Wed Sep 30, 2009 6:51 pm

    Can't dispute what you say.

    Parents of the girls - and the girls themselves - know very well that St. Mary's is a powerhouse for girls basketball. How many OFSAA titles in the last decade - like 6!

    They got one of the best coaches in the province in Richie Wesolowski

    Academically... I'm sure the girls felt comfortable in staying at St. Mary's.

    Now basketball wise... I'm sure it felt like a good fit knowing the success and the tradition of St. Mary's girls basketball... and I'm sure the girls were welcomed with open arms.
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    Post by Eagle1 Wed Sep 30, 2009 8:21 pm

    Allow me my two cents ...

    These girls have been attending St. Mary's - it's not like they were parachuted in.

    I can relate ... I moved away from my high school in Grade 11. I had a network of friends, relationships with teachers/coaches and a real connection to my high school. Rather than transfer to the local school, I got up early and made the trek and graduated from the high school I originally attended.

    I think that many here and on the Hamilton side are being very hard on these 3 girls. Everyone seems to think ... "why don't they just go back where they came from ???"

    Well how 'bout we just let them graduate from the school they were attending! Is this such a bad thing! It is (in my opinion) TOTALLY understandable. The collapse of NEDA is not their fault and any arguments about their eligibility is unfounded.

    This is just a microcosm of the problem with high school sports (and basketball in particular) - everyone has their own agenda and few are thinking about the kids. Everyone wants to pounce on St. Mary's because they have a good team. They did not cause NEDA to fold and they are giving these girls a team to play on at the school they have ALREADY been attending.

    I wonder how many coaches in the same position would tell these girls ... "sorry , just go back from where you came from."

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    Post by Father Time Thu Oct 01, 2009 9:24 am

    NEDA HELPA

    NEDA is done,where did the boys in this program go???? Imagine if they all stay at St. Mary's,you would have a super power and the local coaches would gag on their gag orders!
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    Post by Coach Clement Thu Oct 01, 2009 9:27 am

    [quote="Eagle1"]Allow me my two cents ...

    These girls have been attending St. Mary's - it's not like they were parachuted in.

    I can relate ... I moved away from my high school in Grade 11. I had a network of friends, relationships with teachers/coaches and a real connection to my high school. Rather than transfer to the local school, I got up early and made the trek and graduated from the high school I originally attended.

    I think that many here and on the Hamilton side are being very hard on these 3 girls. Everyone seems to think ... "why don't they just go back where they came from ???"

    Well how 'bout we just let them graduate from the school they were attending! Is this such a bad thing! It is (in my opinion) TOTALLY understandable. The collapse of NEDA is not their fault and any arguments about their eligibility is unfounded.

    This is just a microcosm of the problem with high school sports (and basketball in particular) - everyone has their own agenda and few are thinking about the kids. Everyone wants to pounce on St. Mary's because they have a good team. They did not cause NEDA to fold and they are giving these girls a team to play on at the school they have ALREADY been attending.

    I wonder how many coaches in the same position would tell these girls ... "sorry , just go back from where you came from."

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    Well said! I agree 100%.

    They're just kids who want to play for the school they now attend!
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    Post by petro Thu Oct 01, 2009 11:16 am

    Unfortunately this nonsense is typical.

    Growing up in the "Hammer"... and playing in the Catholic league... and then coaching in the Catholic league early on in my career... there is always someone who feels they are being slighted or thinks someone is cheating.
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    Post by rec Thu Oct 01, 2009 12:11 pm

    If people can get past the short term "what about my kid" attitude and see the long term implications for any school, the arguement against this might sound more reasonable.
    A point was brought up here asking where the NEDA boys went. As far as I know, they all went on to post secondary or returned home. The age of players influenced that, however there was no stopping them from staying had they been younger. The creation of a super team is still a reality as there are still some programs similar to NEDA in the works.

    Do we really want National (or similar elite type) players, with all the extra training and resources available to them, assembled from all parts of the region, province or country, playing together in a high school league?
    To what purpose, to beat the crap out of everyone else? Not exactly an ideal situation for any school board to deal with.
    One or two players added won't be a factor but the scenario of an entire team of National players replacing an high school team can be a reality, given that there is nothing in place to stop it.

    I don't know what the answer would be here except to prepare for further controversy as I believe more and more programs will surface in the future.

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